Jon Aristu
Pamplona (EFE).- Carlos Pérez-Nievas (Tudela, 1966), is the Ciudadanos candidate for the presidency of Navarra and for mayor of Tudela and, after the breakup of the Navarra Suma coalition, with UPN and PP, he is clear that his party is “the most sensible option, less of a coiled beret.”
Pérez-Nievas analyzes, in an interview with EFE, the situation after the breakup of the coalition and the exchange of statements between his ex-partners, something that he lives with “other people’s shame” and criticizes that “UPN has chosen to leave in the hands of Ferraz” the election of who will be the president of Navarra.
The Ciudadanos candidate acknowledges that both UPN and PP have spoken with him to offer him incorporation into their lists, but explains that he does not understand politics as “something professional and personal” for himself.
Question.- What is the objective of Ciudadanos for the elections?
Answer.- Obviously govern this community.
Q.- Do you think it is impossible for the right to add more than the current government supported by Bildu?
A.- It is impossible. I think it is impossible because of the decisions of others. Those of us who have made up Navarra Suma, going it alone, are not going to add 26.
Q.- How are you living everything that happens between UPN and PP since the breakup of the coalition?
A.- With embarrassment, with a feeling that the image being transferred is the complete opposite of what you should do. If those parties say that they are the alternative to governing and they are behaving like that, I am afraid of what their project is for this community.
Q.- You could have gone over to the PP, as others in your party have done, or to UPN, but you haven’t. Because?
A.- I’m not going to do it. I already had the opportunity more than 15 years ago when I left a government to have other political options and I didn’t. I don’t understand politics as something for me personally and professionally. I risk a lot with politics because I am a lawyer with an open office that I closed because of politics and I would have to rethink my professional life, but I do not see politics as a profession, I see it as a means, not an end. I didn’t do it before and I won’t do it now. Disloyalty in politics seems the worst to me.
Q.- Have you been called Javier Esparza or Javier García?
R.- I have not said it, it has been published that they have offered me and it is a reality. Javier García has not offered me because the case has not been given. With Javier Esparza we did talk about that possibility and about the PP circles, before and now, siren songs have been able to reach me, but it is not possible, it will not happen.
Q.- Why do you think it is useful to vote for C’s?
A.- The image that the other two parties are giving makes it clear that the most sensible part of Navarra Suma has been us, when we had the headwind and now. I am convinced that the party and the brand are being strengthened because I see it from my position as national coordinator, that reaching the not too expensive quota of 3% in Navarra can allow you to enter.
Q.- How is it different from PP and UPN in terms of political proposal?
A.- In Navarra there is an atavistic, ancestral fear of speaking against the forality or speaking more sensibly about the interpretation of the forality. We want to be the party that breaks with this taboo. It is one thing to be from Navarre and another thing to have to take communion with mill wheels. It seems to us that the transfer of Traffic exclusively with the departure of the Civil Guard and agreed with Bildu is a very clear example and we are not going to go through that.
Q.- What has happened in Ciudadanos Navarra so that all the polls leave you out of Parliament?
A.- Being a national party, as has happened to other national parties, national trends pass us by. Citizens in Navarra in the two elections intended to vote. In 2015 due to circumstances solely in Navarra with recordings and unfortunate and unfortunate statements by our candidate that I do not want to remember, they led us not to go out. Now it is the negative national trend, but it is reversing and C’s is a party that will not disappear in 2023.
Q.- If you can neither be a councilor nor enter Parliament, do you consider leaving politics?
R.- I am not going to leave politics, it will taste worse for someone. I am the national coordinator of my party. It is true that my intention is to be able to re-found the party and, if there had been Navarra Suma, I would not have been the Ciudadanos candidate, I would have made way for other people.
Q.- Do you dare with a forecast for 28M?
A.- The scenario will change little. I think Bildu is going to be the third force. I dare to say that UPN is not going to get more than 15 parliamentarians, the PSN is not going to improve the result it has now and the PP is not going to get a result that exceeds 4 or 5 parliamentarians either and I say that we will be in Parliament and Vox no.
Then it will depend on what the Socialist Party wants to do. Worst of all, it seems to me that it is the option that UPN has wanted for this community, no matter how much they say that they put Navarra in the center, is that the president of Navarra will be the one who decides in Ferraz, because the numbers are not going to be for another stuff.